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August 18, 2005

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John

In "Here‘s an example of a “reverse bed”:" (with the red line across row 5), why can't (2,5) hold a 3?

Dan Rice

Hi John - great observation! (2, 5) can't hold a 3 due to a (regular) "bed" in box 1. The 3's in boxes 2 and 7 limit the places in box 1 where a 3 can appear. In fact, the 3 in box 1 can only appear in column 2. This eliminates 3 as a candidate for cell (2, 5). -Dan

Chuck

Hi Dan,
What you are calling uniqueness, I had been thinking of as an exclusion principle, similar to the Pauli Exclusion Principle that says that two electron orbiting an atom cannot have the same quantum state. That works better with plural forms, and doesn't damage the language as much as biniques!
-Chuck

Erik

I have programmed a sudoku solver and have noticed that N-elimination and N-uniqueness (where N-uniqueness is the same as (9-N)-elimination and therefore one only needs to loop N=1..4) together with (reverse) beds is enough to solve all puzzles. Yet I wonder whether it is easy to prove this analytically.

Erik

Mmm, I've found a counterexample...

sudokublog

Hi Erik -

I'm not surprised you've found a counterexample, since I tend to doubt that such a small set of rules can solve every puzzle. I don't know how you would prove that a given set of rules solves every puzzle, but it's not hard to prove the opposite. Add another rule to your solver (say, X-Wings) and only invoke it when all the other rules have failed. Then try the solver on random grids. Eventually you may find a grid where the first set of rules don't help any more, but the new rule does give you some information. Then, if the solver is able to continue from there and eventually solves the puzzle you will have proved that the first set of rules are _not_ sufficient.

This could take a bit of computing time, but on a modern PC I expect you would find such a grid in no more than a few hours of computation.

Honey

Wow some great information, I think I am addicted to So Du Ku. I understand your rules you have posted although I did not know they had such thoughtful names. All I know is that with practice I am getting better, I am fairly new to the So du ku. It just poped up in the local papers here in Detroit MI this summer. My co-worker and I have issues with the puzzles, I swear he cheats (joking only) he can just solve them particularly fast in comparison to me, so we are in constant so du ku battle at break and lunch. Great way to keep the brain working

Peter

I am trying to find out what are the minimum number of seed numbers in a Sudoku puzzle for a unique solution.

I developed a technique of solving any Sudoku puzzle I have come across and now wonder if there is a minimum number of seed numbers required for a unique solution.

Peter

I thought I would share my general solution technique. Comments are welcome.

http://www.photocrazy.com/SolvingSudoku.pdf

Also, I just started my own blog at http://www.photocrazy.com/wordpress

Bill

Dan said:
When N is 1, the second rule is the rule of uniqueness. I don‘t have a good name for the second rule when N is larger than 1. Any suggestions? (Someone suggested biniques.)
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Dilemma? Trilemma? N-Lemma?

Maybe that's too melodramatic.

Dichotomy? Trichotomy? N-chotomy?

I think I like that better.

Bill

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Brother Lawrence

I don't see anything about what I call INDEXES. This is a super fast way of checking candidates for a row or column. (We'll use a row here.)
Create an INDEX - a list of candidates or possibles for the row.
For each cell in the row, match the index list against the corresponding column plus the surrounding 3x3 box. If you get a match on all but one of the index, you put that number in the cell. If you are two short, these are your pencil markings. Similarly for three or more.
Once you have written a number in, go back and cross that number off your index, and run the row again.
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Consider the lower-right box (box 9) in the grid below. I've outlined the right part of the box in red. Notice that the only places that can contain a 2 are along the right side of the box
great move
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